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Grateful Dead Live at The Matrix on 1970-12-17

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Grateful Dead Live at The Matrix on 1970-12-17

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Set 1

Hard To Handle
Me And My Uncle
Cold Rain And Snow
Dancing In The Street

Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue The Matrix
Location San Francisco, CA

Source SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Transferred by fixed by SirMick


The venue is conjectural. Deadlists identifies it as the Matrix, based on Eaton's transcript of the vault reel. However, when Dick copied the show to cassette, he attached the following label: "Here is something I have, that was labeled 12/17/70 - Winterland."

A long-standing confusion between this show and the Owsley benefit held at Winterland on 12/23/70, continues to infect GD tapelists. The first four songs, "Hard to Handle" through "Cold Rain and Snow," were put into general circulation by the Bay Area Tapers Group in the mid-1990s, and continue to be mislabeled as 12/23/70.


sbes fixed by SIRMick
September 2007

- the last 2 tracks may or may not belong with this!


Reviewer: c-freedom - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 17, 2016
Subject: I can hear your voice..
Venue and date might be in question but the quality of this recording is certainly sweet as Tupelo honey.
Reviewer: Dead In Istanbul - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 18, 2016
Subject: Cold Rain and Snow
I wanted to second what's already been mentioned. This version of Cold Rain and Snow is fantastic. And this sound is with a possible two generations of tapes? It's crisp. An anomaly like the incredible sound on the audience recording of the Hollywood Palladium '71. The Dancing in the Streets here is distractingly good. Phil is right in the center on this and clear as day. In fact, in my headphones, there's a drummer on each side, a guitar on each side (Weir is at a great volume in full form at about 7:20 of Dancing), and bass right in the middle. Sweet separation.

On a side note, we should be really proud of being a part of this recording community, if for no other reason than at least our forum and comments section is nearly 99.999% free of any nastiness and name calling and what have you. It's full of research, recollections, anecdotes, praise for Charlie Miller et al, and recommendations for even better shows we all might like. Kind people who came for the music and some like kindness. Bill Graham mentions an usher at the Fillmore East in his parting words on 4-29-71 who said, "The Grateful Dead aren't just music, they're an environment."
Reviewer: ApproximateMan - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 17, 2015
Subject: Great sound quality
It's really hard to believe there are two cassette generations on this. Crystal clear and good mix. It sounds like everyone is having fun. No organ in the mix until Dancin'.
Reviewer: mzlizizaninja - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 20, 2014
Subject: Fab Machine Sound
YOu know how country 40's and 50's nailed that piston sound of steam trains turnin the wheels? I heard that on Snow abs Rain, it became a whole new song for me.

Every tune here is good for the ears and eveyrthing in between.

And then there's the machine operaoers who made this sampler possible: Thank You For A Real Good Time!
Reviewer: njpg - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 17, 2014
Subject: For listening:
best Cold Rain I ever heard, hot Dancin w/Eyes-like jam.
Reviewer: Chris U. - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 3, 2014
Subject: A very big dose
As noted below, this is a "sampler" of various tracks from

(1) Winterland 10-4-70 (broadcast on KQED and never seen since but at least parts of the quadrophonic FM simulcast exist and can be heard on the archive (as of this evening anyway). Cold Rain and Snow and UJB can be heard in context on the archive at

(2) Winterland 10-5-70

Dancin' In The Streets
Hard To Handle*
Me and My Uncle*

*best guess

It's all great but the 10-5-70 tracks especially are phenomenal both in terms of sound quality and performance. This version of Dancin' is particularly awesome, with Jerry's solos more contemplative than scorching and the other members of the stepping up time and time again to deliver the goods.

Someone needs to find the rest of that 10-5-70 recording. There's some articles about that show (the night after Janis died) but no setlist that I could find (Deadlists references some anecdotal evidence that Casey Jones was played and the night ending with a very groovy triumvirate of Good Lovin, Dancin, Lovelight).

"Said Jerry Garcia after the Dead's set [on Monday October 5, at Winterland]:

"The crowd seemed a little crazier last night than tonight, I don't know. You have to understand I have no memory, that's the price I pay. The difference in vibes? It makes a big difference in vibes if you tell somebody, Janis died. That's like heavy news. But listen, man, these are all people who've been on lots of trips, and they're sensitive, far-out, weird people, probably the weirdest people on earth in this place, and they've all looked at death a million times in lots of different ways. Nobody's really uptight about death. Death is something that really happens." --
Reviewer: doug_the_dude - - October 2, 2014
Subject: mislabeling
hoggydoggy has it below - there is a lot of confusion re: these dates. They were supposedly recording these for a live album, aborted until new material could be added and tried again in February (Skullfuck...)

But the snippets sound beautiful. Candyman, probably from 10/5, is absolutely ethereal.
Reviewer: dogdrjohn - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 7, 2013
Subject: Good Old God Damned Grateful Dead
Amazing music! Don't know why I didn't listen to this one years ago. Pretty much my favorite time, along with early 1968. I know many people have good fast internet these days so streaming is not an issue, but if you do want to record streamed-only shows (and I do so I can listen whenever and wherever I want) it is really easy on a Mac. I use Peak LE (previously) or Audio Hijack Pro (easier to use, no need to plug speaker out into mic in). I still edit with Peak, mostly because I am familiar with it. On my PC laptop I use Jacksta to record streaming audio and/or video, but on the Mac Jacksta doesn't seem to allow audio only recording. Jacksta is great because it can somehow "look ahead" at the video or audio stream and download the whole thing in a fraction of the total run time. Works pretty well on Concert Window and to record whatever other live/recorded video streams I have come across - streams from Phil's club in San Rafael, Bobby's club in Novato, Allman shows at the Beacon (wish those were still being video streamed live). Check these programs (and probably others) out.

Too Much Fun
Reviewer: quelots - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 28, 2013
Subject: The sound...
It really matters little to me what the correct date(s) and venue(s) of this music is/are. It is a beautiful 44 minutes of music, with superb quality of sound. Five stars for the sound, man. What it's all about.

Reviewer: chris phillips - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 27, 2013
Subject: Dancin'
This is a great snippet of '70 Dead also in great sound.
Reviewer: jklieder - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 6, 2013
Subject: 1970
1970 has it all....... and then some,
including Mickey Hart, who is sadly missing from most of 71 and all of 72.
Reviewer: hoggydoggy - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 5, 2012
Subject: Mislabelled...
NONE of the music dated as 12/17/70 comes from this date - see here for an in-depth analysis of the origin of this supposed show and the true source dates for the songs.

To whit: from 10/4/70,

Cold Rain & Snow
Uncle John's Band (mislabelled as 12/23/70 on the Workingman's Dead Rhino CD reissue, but that track is clearly different to the correct 12/23/70 UJB on shnid #31608)

From 10/5/70,

Dancin' In The Streets

Unknown but probably 10/5/70 (based on no other date identified for them),

Hard To Handle
Me and My Uncle

Irrespective of source, this is terrific material, but we really need the full 10/5/70 at some point!
Reviewer: bookends - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 17, 2010
Subject: Dancing Jam
love the jam in Dancing, common to 1970 and this era. Always puts a smile on my face.
Reviewer: grasshopperak - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 17, 2010
Subject: candy man
how is it that the old stuff from around 1970 is some of the best sounds going out there?
is it because they brought the old multitrack recorders employing nice fat analog tape? was it the LSD then? it seems to drip through the speakers
the stuff folks are tripping on today? that i don't know, it ain't nothing good , judging by the state a the world, time to make it better, which this show shows, can be done, starting with some fucking music, for fuck's sake, i say
Reviewer: Cliff Hucker - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 23, 2009
Subject: Wrong Date
12/17/70 was a Garcia & Friends show with David Crosby.

This is 12/23/70 Winterland. Check the Tapers Section at

Sound is gorgeous, wish there was more...
Reviewer: snow_and_rain - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 22, 2009
Subject: Holy Phil!
Half way through Hard to Handle and I can already tell that this one is a beauty. Unbelievably good quality tape. Careful with those woofers.
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